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| Date | 2008-10-25 |
| Message | Gina, My understanding is that Palin turned down the wardrobe, but the left leaning press did not bother to report that part of the story. If the average tax is 50 some odd percent, some people paid more and some less. By in large the people who paid more are more wealthy. The tax cuts for the wealthy you hear so much about in the left leaning press did not mean that they are paying less than poor people. It meant that they are still paying a much higher percentage, but just not as much of a higher percentage. I have been seeing Obama's name associated with socialist on the web since he ran against Keyes for senate several years ago. Again the left leaning news organizations do not report it. What makes you think the wealthy use up more resources? They are recipients of more money because they produce more, not because they use more. |
| Date | 2008-10-25 |
| Message | Oh and one more comment...This whole socialism bull only got started after some guy made a comment. If McCain/Palin really thought Obama was a socialist or wanting to create that type of government, than why didn't they go there in the first place. His tax plan hasn't changed. I mean really did they need someone to tell them Obama was promoting socialism for them to call it that? I mean they've jumped on every other angle to try to evoke fear into the people; if socialism was really the issue here, why wasn't it brought up long before two weeks before election? Speaking of stealing....does that $150,000 wardrobe Palin is sporting that the Republican people paid for, is that considered socialism since the Republican party took the money from the people and decided new outfits were what was needed for this campaign to be successful? Just asking...I mean heck that could be considered socialism too! |
| Date | 2008-10-25 |
| Message | It sounded like you were accusing me of supporting stealing and I just don't see it the way you do. Regardless, it's hard to sometimes gear people on here because you can't hear tone or fluctuation. I'm sorry if I came across as offended, I wasn't. I was speaking more on your general idea. In a previous post I think I said something about the rich paying (using your numbers again) 58%, which probably implied that I think they should pay more. I do, but not more of a percentage than you or I do, but as I stated mathematically that just means they pay more. Who knows what the right answer is, but I do know that America needs a change and I just don't think McCain/Palin is the answer, nor do I think his continuance of giving tax breaks to this huge corporate companies is the answer. They don't need MORE money, not saying they need less, but they should have to pay like everyone else. If that means they pay more, well they need to get over it, they make more.  |
| Date | 2008-10-25 |
| Message | Who is attacking? Who is accusing? |
| Date | 2008-10-25 |
| Message | Trish Attacking someone and accusing them of what you are because they differ in a view point seems a bit boxy and self centered, if you ask me. However, I don't understand the tax system enough to argue with you effectively and honestly, I don't think MOST Americans do either. Perhaps if more Americans did, there would be some definitive plan to fix all these problems. I do not propose stealing from anyone, but with few exceptions the more money one makes, the more resources they use and therefore should have to pay more to replenish or sustain those resources. Isn't that what taxes pay for anyway? I am not saying that we should pay let's say 1% and the rich pay 5%. What if everyone pays 5% no exceptions...why is that stealing? No loops holes, no tax breaks for anyone. Just by simple mathematics they are going to pay more, but no that isn't how it works; these billion dollar corporations get tax breaks and find loops holes that government creates for them so they end not paying half of what they should. I don't think that is stealing from them, I think it's the other way around. If I have to pay 54% of my income, so should they (using your numbers). That's not stealing, that's fair. |
| Date | 2008-10-25 |
| Message | Gina, I meant to say - What if someone poorer than you decides you don't need to take that vacation you took this year because they didn't get to take one and you did. So they take your vacation money. Would that be fair? Who are they to say you shouldn't take a vacation. |
| Date | 2008-10-25 |
| Message | My figures are from the 2005 tax year. Who are you to judge whether Sam will miss his money? If we take it by force it is stealing. You are saying it is ok to steal his money because he has more than you and won't miss it. Is it ok to steal from the rich and give to the poor? Stealing is still stealing no matter what name it is called by or whose opinion it is. That doesn't change the facts. What is someone poorer that you decides you don't need to take that vacation you took this year because they didn't get to take one and you did. So they take your vacation money. Would that be fair? Who are they to say you shouldn't take a vacation. Quoting you: I think I read somewhere only 1% of the population is in the group that I am speaking about. That makes it ok???? With your logic if the problem concerns a minority it is ok if we steal from them. |
| Date | 2008-10-25 |
| Message | I have read all the comments and haven't had a chance to chime in yet. But I will as soon as I can. I have ENERGY today so am taking advantage of it. |
| Date | 2008-10-25 |
| Message | Trish, I don't hate anyone, not even my husband's ex wife who has caused us many miserable years of having to deal with her. I wish I had more time to answer and the example you give doesn't seem to me that the guy is making a gazillion dollars. I think I read somewhere and don't quote me on this, but only 1% of the population is in the group that I am speaking about. I seriously doubt that someone with the kind of money I speak of would miss the difference if they were made to pay 58%. I'm not sure where your figures are coming from but they seem kind of far fetched. |
| Date | 2008-10-25 |
| Message | Gina, Ok, lets start with people who make gazillions and you want them to pay higher taxes. Let's not put them in a group but let's take one individual man. His name is Sam. He is 55 years old. He started working just out of high school. He worked 12-14 hour days sometimes working 2 jobs for years. He saved. He invested. He bought. He sold at a profit. He never goofed off. He doesn't ask others for anything. He takes care of himself. Now you want him to pay taxes. The total tax percentage paid by the average US citizen, is 54.4%. You want him to pay more because he has more. What happens to Sam if he doesn't want to give his hard earned money to the government. Eventually the police come to arrest Sam. If Sam decides to defend himself and his money the policemen break Sam's door down, if he pulls out a gun to protect himself, he will very likely get shot. Is this what you want to have happen? Do you hate the rich man so much? |
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