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NamePappy
Date2008-10-25
MessageSocialism does have a definition
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

I think the first 2 apply to McCain and the third one to Obama.


NameTrish
Date2008-10-25
MessageThere's a lot of press about the gap between rich and poor. It generally seems to be presented as a bad thing. Why is that? If the rich people earned (or inherited) their money honestly, where's the harm? I would think that a society without rich people would be in real trouble because it means no one is rising. In this country anyone can become wealthy with hard work and wise choices.


NamePappy
Date2008-10-25
MessageGina, I remember visiting Mexico on a missions trip in the early '90's. We went to a very poor area. 40% unemployment. Average wage was $4 per day. Mostly they lived in mud huts with grass roofs and no doors. Would it be right for them to vote themselves some of your wealth just because there is more of them? At least you have a tank in which to put gasoline. Why don't you take more than 50% of your earnings and send it to them? It is not just them. Unless you are living on the street, if you are an American you are wealthier than most people in the world. Does that make it right for them to help themselves to what you have?


NameGina
Date2008-10-25
MessageI don't read her everyday, but I will read all kinds of articles is waht I am saying. And when I was using the example Pappy, it was just that, an example of how anything can be contrued as socialism by definition. I wasn't accusing her of being a socialist. I was just trying to point out the similarity. It's no different. It's all about priority and what one thinks is important when campaigning.


NameGina
Date2008-10-25
MessageI am speaking in general and not refering to every single wealthy person....but have you seen Oprah Winfreys home, now look at mine, tell me who uses more resources. I have flown twice in the last eight years....how many times do the wealthy fly? I guess I could go on and on, but you get the point. Again, not everyone fits into this category, but on average they do use more because they have more money to use more. I know that just recently I found my gas tank FULL and haven't seen it that way in awhile. I have to pick and choose where is important to go and what can wait or where can I bike? Wealthy people can fill their tank when they want and go where they want, when they want. No, I'm not jealous, but that's a fact.


NamePappy
Date2008-10-25
MessageAnd how much money do the Democrats spend on Obama's image? Is she supposed to go without makeup to prove what? To whom?

I did not realize you had met Ann Coulter personally. What did she do to offend you?

If you do read it, you should have noticed that she thinks Obama is a socialist and send so long before this month.


NamePappy
Date2008-10-25
MessageSo birds are cute when they are dead. Hmmmm. Interesting perspective.


NameGina
Date2008-10-25
MessagePappy,

McCain even said she would be donating the clothes to charity, but the hair and makeup???? What is a left wing news station anyway? I watch all kinds of news. Heck I even read Ann Coulter just for the extra view point and I can't stand her personally.

I haven't read all the comments yet, but when I read that I had to respond.


NameTrish
Date2008-10-25
Message"To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, 'the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, and the fruits acquired by it.'"
-- Thomas Jefferson

"A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money."
-- G. Gordon Liddy

The function of socialism is to raise suffering to a higher level."
-- Norman Mailer

"You can't get rid of poverty by giving people money."
-- P. J. O'Rourke

"Under communist rule in the Soviet Union, the 3 percent of agricultural land that was privately farmed by people who kept part of the profits from their efforts supplied the majority of all farm produce. It is not simply that bureaucracy is inefficient. Any form of production that is not based on material reward will not operate efficiently." Steven E Plaut, "The Joy Of Capitalism"


"A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul."
-- George Bernard Shaw


NamePappy
Date2008-10-25
MessageIf someone gives money voluntarily to the Republican party it is not stealing for them to try to use it to improve the image of their candidate. The key ingredient is force not money.


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