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| Date | 2008-09-06 |
| Message | I think it is real that there are women who are just not nurturing. Not that society made them that way or that they are selfish. I just think some people/women just don't have a single nurturing bone in their body. We are all unique, so we can't expect us all women to be great mothers. Some are more cut out to do other things. |
| Date | 2008-09-06 |
| Message | p.s. Yeah - LOL - ME as a teenager is a prime example of how NOT to raise a kid.  And again - I know many families who have raised children who did not rebel as teenagers. It can be done. And those teenagers are a direct reflection on how TO raise a kid. |
| Date | 2008-09-06 |
| Message | Of course teens think on their own. I expect them to. I want my teens to think for themselves. It's my job as a parent to make sure they think responsibly and have the character instilled so they think on their own in the 'right' manner. I'm sure we won't agree on everything. We already don't. Brittany is VERY independent - and I love it! I wouldn't want them to cling to me and still be looking to me for answers when they are 21 years old. I am raising them to be independent thinkers, showing them the best place to find answers (God's Word), offering guidance where I need to, and I believe that if I'm raising them the way God wants me to, then they WILL be Godly teenagers/adults. If they rebel, then I need to examine my parenting and see what I could have done differently... and make those changes with the younger children. I'm not a perfect parent - not even close - and I may very well have things come up that prove that. I believe, in nearly every instance, that how a teenager acts is a DIRECT reflection on the parenting!!!!!! I'm adamant on that one!!!!! :) |
| Date | 2008-09-06 |
| Message | Matt - I don't have Scripture that shows a woman shouldn't be President. I came to that conclusion b/c the Bible is clear that women shouldn't be head of the home and the women aren't to be in charge at church. Which, in my opinion <--- making that clear, means that God doesn't like women being in charge of men. Which, essentially is what happens if a woman is President. And of all the military men I have known (and it's a lot), I can't think of one who respects a woman in charge of them. So there's that. I don't know that I said Palin was power hungry. I just said I don't like power hungry women. Palin is definitely on the feminist bandwagon though - she made that perfectly clear in her first speech the day McCain announced her. That whole glass ceiling and Hillary and Geraldine and blah blah blah. I'm not on that train. As if anyone didn't know. I don't think women can do anything a man can do, and I certainly don't think they should. And that's vice versa too. God made us different. My point was that a lot of feminists are very into the "if a man can do it I can do it" and they seem to want to BE men. I don't get that mindset. ...contd... |
| Date | 2008-09-06 |
| Message | I haven't yet read all the comments, I'm still trying to post, but it won't let me, but I DO agree with Jackie, both of the parents are still there in Palin's case, they aren't gone, and from what I see, they have an amazing family!! Sure, the teenage girl made a mistake, who doesn't... :8) I also don't see how that mistake is a direct reflection on her or him, um, do you remember when you were 17? Okay, maybe not a good example, but in a normal caring, loving home, teens will still be teens, and teens sometimes do what they like without parental consent... You will find that out in a few short years I might add... :] No matter how you raise them, they are their own people, and they have minds of their own, and unless you have some sort of a cult thing going on up there, they will also (gasp) potentially disagree with you and Andy on some issues... They are people, as in the case of the Palins... |
| Date | 2008-09-06 |
| Message | Show me a single verse in the Bible where it is "clear a woman shouldn't be President"... I couldn't find any... Of course, as you say, it's open to interpretation, but I'd like to know the Scripture you used, and how you interpreted it... "power hungry women"... Who says Palin is power hungry, she saw issues with the corruption in the Republican Party in Alaska, and didn't like it, so she went after the corruption, power hungry, I don't think so... Men and women are different, of that there is no doubt, but I'd like to hear some examples of what you are referring to when you say: "we can do anything a man can do"... What exactly do you mean by that? There are obviously SOME things men can do that women can't do, but there is really only one thing that I can think of... So I'd like an example on that... While parents should raise their children in a Godly fashion, when teens "stray", you can't always just blame the parents, teens are practically adults, and they have minds of their own, and even if they were raised PERFECTLY, they are still people, with their own minds, and they WILL do what they want, no MATTER how they were raised... So, whatever on those comments... If you choose to "shoulder the blame" for things your children do if you have raised them properly, that's your choice, but you can't live your children's lives, they live their own lives... Hm... I wonder if I'm at the word limit yet?? I better check... 24 characters left.. :8) |
| Date | 2008-09-06 |
| Message | Timberly - I do think there is a line to be drawn on where the parent's responsibility ends and the child's begins. Do you really truly believe that proper parenting would not have changed some of the poor choices that you made? That no matter how you were raised, you still would have made those choices? That if proper character - instead of mindless robotic obedience - had been instilled, that you wouldn't have had the wisdom to say no to wrong things? I know I made poor choices, and I had to ask God's forgiveness for my mistakes. But I do truly believe that had I had the proper character, the proper rules and guidelines (as opposed to strict rules about meaningless things and no rules about important things), then I would have made different choices as a teen. Otherwise, why am I even bothering to instill those things in my kids? I should just throw a Bible at them and say "here kid, you're on your own." I believe that BOTH the parents and children are responsible. Just like sins can follow generation to generation - so can righteousness. I think the cases where kids end up okay in spite of the parents, is a testament to the kind of loving God that we have. Those parents are still responsible for the mistakes they made. And truly - mom/dad are/were responsible for raising kids that weren't obeying, listening, or making the proper choices. I'm looking forward to seeing the sermon you mentioned - I'll look for it. |
| Date | 2008-09-06 |
| Message | I emailed the adminstrator at the church so to get a copy of the sermon. I'll send it when I reeive it. |
| Date | 2008-09-06 |
| Message | Jackie - I believe no pregnancies are accidents (in God's eyes). ALL children are blessings from God, even though not everyone sees them that way. I agree that some women are better mothers than others. I know some women who do stay home, yet they are horrible mothers. Most of them are horrible mothers, though, because they are so self-absorbed (the ones I know, anyway) - which is another problem in and of itself. And maybe THOSE kids WOULD be better off in the hands of a grandparent or something... but it's because of other problems. It's not the 'ideal' that God calls for. Which is exactly what you said: "This maybe not what God intended, but it's reality." Unfortunately, we live in a world where this has become the 'norm'. The reality, so many times, is NOT what God intended, and this is why we have so many problems as a society. |
| Date | 2008-09-06 |
| Message | responding to your responding to my response . Proper parenting could not have avoided the mistakes I made Petra. Maybe you feel that way in your case. Even being allowed to date at 14 does not make what I did my parents responsibilty. The truth was always there, I had constant access to the Bible. It was my choice to ignore what had been plainly in front of me since my birth. I do not hold others responsible for the choice I made in my personal life. I know too any children that have made the right choices being in much worse environments than I was in. My getting pregnant really had nothing to do with mom or dad or how they raised me, it was a personal choice to do what felt good to me and to not draw my strength from God. A pastor here spoke on the idea of parents being held responsible for deisions that their children make. I'll find the link and post it. I feel a parent is responsible for how they raise their children, it is the child's responsibility to listen, obey and make the proper choices. |
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