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NameMatthew
Date2008-09-09
MessageLOL! Happy birthday Justice!!

Mine are heading to that age rather rapidly, of course already been there/done that with Cory, and he turned into a fine man! smilie


NameAli
Date2008-09-09
MessageHappy bday Justice! Alexis is not letting me take her picture lately either.. teenager!


NameKendra
Date2008-09-09
MessageI love 13 yr old boys smilie They are such fun, and we thank God for Justice as well.


NameTimberly
Date2008-09-09
MessageDefinitely each person has their own responsibilities. It just seemed as if you were saying the child is not personally responsible for their choices. The parent is definitely responsible for the training they do. smilie Not sure about the coming across bit, I really have difficulty deciphering how people come across on the computer, all those physical cues are not present. So I try not to assume anything but will ask if I am interested smilie


NameJackie
Date2008-09-08
MessageThank you... thank you very much! (in an Elvis tone) smilie

You are awesome as well! Thanks for always being there when I need you! smilie


NamePetra
Date2008-09-08
Messagelol Timberly, I know - lots of comments on this one. smilie

I don't disagree on your points of a child's responsibility. We are all responsible for our own actions. I hope I didn't come across as thinking any differently. But, parents are ALSO responsible/accountable for how they raise/teach their children. I get tired of parents who take zero responsibility for their actions - placing ALL blame on their kids. If my kids grow up not being presented with the Truth and not brought up in love and good character - then it's my fault. They can still find Truth - of course - but it's going to be much more difficult for them.

I'll take a look at that link with the sermons. Thanks for sharing. smilie


NameTimberly
Date2008-09-08
MessageOh wow, I had to go back quite a way to find your response to my comment smilie. You must stop writing these comment provoking blogs smilie. Umm I think it doesn't matter how a child is raised, they can still recognize truth. I always knew the truth of the scripture from quite a young age, but was not willing to give up self. I totally believe that God made the scripture so even a child can understand. The reason I teach my children about God, etc. is so that they have the truth also from the beginning. It is much harder for an adult to accept God once their mind has been filled with human reason. Basically it is so that my children have the right starting points (to borrow from the Creation Museum) to make decisions. They have to choose whether or not they will follow Christ in their personal lives. It is a personal relationship between God and them and I do not want to stand in the way of that. We as parents train and it is the child's responsibility to follow. And umm if I had just followed the simple scripture of obey your parents much of my "issues" would have been eliminated smilie .


NameTimberly
Date2008-09-08
MessageHere is the link for that series of messages I was telling you about: www.graceky.org once on the website click on sermons from the list on the left.

There are 4 sermons in the series and the first one starts on July 20, 2008. This church is a good church that has a great B foundation and a great counseling program. Anyway the sermons are about myths that abound in churches.


NamePappy
Date2008-09-08
MessageIt has been an interesting conversation. I have the utmost respect for Petra and her stand on Scripture. There is no better foundation for life, and I'm confident that God will guide her and Andy into His perfect will as they continue to endeavor to be good parents for His glory. Nor do I labor under the misconception that I am the final arbiter of what that means.

I am also convinced that the Palin family are trying to obey Him. If that sounds like a contradiction to you, you do not understand my premise. We are all wrong. Only God is right.


NamePetra
Date2008-09-07
MessagePappy - yep. Children are responsible too. Just like I said. Here are some Scriptures for you to read: 2Kings 15:34; Proverbs chapter 4; Ephesians 6:4

As far as holding myself to high standards - I believe that to be Biblical. Read anything Paul wrote in the NT. I believe most parents don't take ENOUGH on themselves. Not just parents, most Christians, period. It's all "well I'm better than so and so - so that's good" - we should compare ourselves to Jesus, not other men - and we will all see how sorely we have failed. And how much better we can strive to be.

p.s. My response to your first statement: God's Son, Jesus - was perfect. Just like His Father.


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