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| Date | 2008-10-25 |
| Message | Petra, Your comments enhanced the debate, and I'm thankful for your participation and for you allowing us to use your blog for our discussion. I'll check back tomorrow afternoon and see if anything is going on with it. Good night. Pappy |
| Date | 2008-10-25 |
| Message | I have done some reading about this and it turns out that mathematically a DNA molecule is like a set of encyclopedias with each letter, number and punctuation mark carved on one face of a cube. Neither DNA, nor a novel, can be reproduced by accident once the cubes that form them have been swept off the table into a bucket. Mathematically an entire living organism is like the Library of Congress with each character written on a block, and the monkeys throwing dice will never produce three readable lines, let alone a book or a library. This means that it is a mathematical fact that life is not the result of anything random. The evolutionists are going nuts trying to keep it out of the public schools. So far the judges involved have all been math idiots, so they have been successful in keeping it out. But, praise God, the truth has a way of becoming known. Be that as it may be, it seems to me from you last few posts that we are not really talking about believing in the existence of God. I sounds like to me, that your position is that even if there is a God, you don't like Him, so it is easier just to ignore him. That is a different proposition altogether. If a good God exists, why are things so bad, and why are so many of His so called followers evil and/or idiots? However, I do not want to answer what I speculate your views might be. I would love to take this up again tomorrow. |
| Date | 2008-10-25 |
| Message | I had a paragraph about evolution being a theory just like all the other theories, but it wasn't letting me post so I gave up. lol! Gina - I have had bad experiences with religion too - it wasn't until I started looking directly to God instead of to other people that I saw the love and kindness and really experienced God. It's sad that it is that way, but there are many people who claim to be Christians that just do not act the way a Christian should act (according to the Bible). Unfortunately, those people tend to drive a lot of people away from God.  I do hope (and pray) that you will find the true loving God one day. Because of my beliefs and also because of my feelings for you, I care deeply about the state of your soul and where you end up when you die. I have found great peace and comfort with God, and it saddens me to see so many driven away by those claiming to know God when they wouldn't know love and kindness if it hit them in the face. Have a good night, Gina. I will be on here again tomorrow. I hope you and Pappy didn't mind me jumping into your debate there. I enjoyed talking with both of you.  |
| Date | 2008-10-25 |
| Message | Consider this thought experiment. Imagine taking the three or four lines of your mailing address and writing each letter, number, and punctuation mark onto one side of a little block of wood shaped like a cube. Leave the other five sides blank. Now arrange them on a table top in three or four nice even lines so that your address can be read. Next sweep them all into a cup and toss them back on the table top like so many dice. The wooden blocks will form a glob on the table. Do that several trillion times and the blocks of wood will never form your address again. They will occasionally end up with all the written faces, face up. They will never arrange themselves in three or four straight lines, let alone in the correct order to form your address. The reason is that in God's universe, even randomness, so-called, follows certain laws or rules. The tossed cubes will always form a glob, never straight lines. It turns out all this can be described mathematically. It is over my head. There is probably only a few hundred people in the world, who completely understand it. However, I became convinced not only by the thought experiment above, but when I was doing some experiments with my computer trying to help one of the men in my church understand the Biblical numerology he was into, was a hoax. It is too complicated to explain here, and this has already become lengthy, and I fear boring. More to come |
| Date | 2008-10-25 |
| Message | Gina, I do not dismiss life elsewhere. However, there are some very serious problems with evolution on a microbiological level that they are trying to solve with this "life came from outer space stuff." Seems to me they are the ones who are dismissive. They have a strong antisupernatural bias in the face of some very strong evidence. The more general nature of the problem comes from a branch of mathematics developed from chaos theory. There is an old argument used by evolutionists that if you set a million chimpanzees typing on a million typewriters for millions of years eventually they would produce the great American novel. Their argument is based on the mathematics of statistics and probability and for over a century it seemed unassailable. Turns out they were wrong. In the last few years a new branch of mathematics has developed called chaos theory. Chaos theory is used to mathematically describe randomness. It is very useful for building computer models for predicting the weather, certain special effects for movies, etc. It turns out that randomness actually does not exist, at least not in the way we think of it intuitively. Randomness follows certain rules. The monkeys will not produce one readable page, let alone a whole novel, not if they are truly random. The typewriters prevent true randomness because they force the monkeys to type in straight lines with all the letters oriented correctly with each other. To be continued |
| Date | 2008-10-25 |
| Message | Petra, you know I respect the way you believe and I think that perhaps if my earlier experiences with religion were the way you describe religion, maybe things would have been different. But ALL of my life experiences with religion or should I say Christianity have been detrimentally alienating. To believe in something you can't see, there has to be something positive there to draw you in. There has never been that there for me. I don't need someone to show me love by drawing a heart, it's something I feel, it's positive, something I'm drawn to and something I want to emulate. I would hope any God would draw his people through love and kindness and I've never had that experience and so that paired with my own thoughts, has led me to believe in no God. Life might change that, who knows. I do believe there was a man named Christ that existed, and I do think he died on a cross, but there are many parts of the Bible that I just don't believe happend. Have a great night Petra. Thanks for letting us use your blog. |
| Date | 2008-10-25 |
| Message | Gina - you are right in that many areas of religion are subjective. However, all religion isn't 'one' - there are very different beliefs among Christians, Mormons, Muslims, etcetera - and even within each religion there is a broad spectrum of beliefs. This is one of the main reasons that when people ask me "what religion are you?" I cringe a little. I don't believe IN a religion. I don't worship a religion whatsoever. I attend a church in a certain denomination, but I don't necessarily agree with every point they have. I believe in God and the Bible - and base my life on that and that alone. I know too many people that worship religion (and not God) and they turn MANY away from the God that I know. There were people like that in the New Testament, and it is clear they were not what God intended for people who follow Him. There are a few religions (cults) who don't believe in any medicine, hospital care, etcetera. I don't agree with them at all. The couple you describe killed their child, if you ask me. contd... |
| Date | 2008-10-25 |
| Message | No Pappy, I don't Monkeys-Hominids-Neanderthals-humans. I may have mixed the Hominids and Neandertals up, but if memory serves me correctly they have preservations of both a homid and a neanderthal. Regardless, I'm tired and so is my little one...and if you want so you don't think I'm bailing on you, we can finish this tomorrow. Pappy, I appreciate the time you take to talk to me. It's been very enjoyable. I hope you have a great night and I'll check back tomorrow to see if you want to continue.  |
| Date | 2008-10-25 |
| Message | Pappy - I don't necessarily think there is life on Mars, but I am not sure there aren't other life forms out there somewhere that we don't know about. And I don't expect to know until God tells me one way or another once I get to heaven. Unless, of course, some alien life form is discovered during my lifetime, but I don't see that happening. If it were though, I'd find it very interesting to learn about. |
| Date | 2008-10-25 |
| Message | I don't account for them, it just seems more plausible to me than the Bible, I guess or some God creating us. As for life on Mars, Pappy, you can't dismiss life elsewhere(Well, I guess you can, but that seems irresponsible). Where would we be if everyone held so closely to the belief in creation that no one ever explored the earth. How long did it take us to figure out the world was round??? NOT FLAT! I read this article not to long ago about parents who were going to jail for murder because they assumed God would heal their daughter and so they didn't give her diabetic medicine. Not everyone takes in religion the same way and some people are reckless and evil with how they interupt religion. That is what makes it so hard for me to believe. How different it is from person to person to person. ONE RELIGION, different meanings for all of them. Look at how Petra and Matt and some others fought on whether a woman should be in power or not or work or not? It's to subjective. Also, do you know how many perspectives I got when my child died seven years ago on whether or not he went to hell. The church I was attending at the time, told me, or one of the pastors there did, that my baby was going to hell. Southern Baptist if you must know the exact denomination. Yes, I know how many others will say that's ridiculous, but again, it's subjective and therefore not probable for me. And yes, science can be that way too and we could go round and round. |
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