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| Date | 2009-06-25 11:13 |
| Message | Can somebody verify the 09/10 draft order on the spreadsheet? https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pR-9crL29CHv4oyA34ErfaQ&hl=en |
| Date | 2009-06-25 12:24 |
| Message | haha! oh yeah, i remember trying to agree on x with phil for a league wide cut list was about the most frustrating exercises one could imagine.. go banter! |
| Date | 2009-06-24 11:17 |
| Message | First of all I'm gonna scratch all of this and say the best way to increase interest is to propose rule changes...  Add my vote to not adding three rounds... I was trying to keep my suggestions close to what Rob had originally proposed... but if we're starting from scratch... I'll propose just moving the midseason to early december and adding the extra round there with the Prospect bench option. The other route to look at that has been touched on is: We protect X players and the rest go back into the redraft... this is a common format in Fantasy pools and might refresh the draft each year as well as closing the gap... that said I don't like it cause teams have worked hard to get where they are... Dan your idea sucks and I expect more from you  The final rankings do not always reflect team depth... if the cutoff is at 10 it is possible that the 4th place team gets screwed worse than the top 3 teams in which case it isn't closing the gap but widening it... etc. I agree with whoever said not too many changes is better so we can see what is working what isn't etc... plus this pool is setup great as is and I personally am a fan of the long term rebuild pools... but I can see how it would suck for some to just realize they need to enter that phase. |
| Date | 2009-06-24 10:59 |
| Message | Not bad ideas. Another option, we protect x number of players and the rest go into the free agent pool and can selected during the draft. Only one player per team can be lost a year. Forgive me if this idea is no good, I just finished a crushing accounting exam so my head is running on fumes but I guess the time is now to be creative. Other thoughts, I like keeping the draft at three rounds but adding another midseason pick and dividing the season into thirds. And if we want to keep the value of prospect picks, we can add a rule so prospects can't be taken in the regular draft (just a thought, Phil). |
| Date | 2009-06-24 10:21 |
| Message | the changes still don't address one of rob's concerns, which was that there are no incentives for the middle of the pack teams. this is a tough one, i have yet to see a real good solution for this in any keeper pool. nevertheless.. i'll try.. (please shoot this down, it screws my team over) at the end of each year, we each protect x number of players, and the team that finished below us picks a free agent from our teams. 1st would pick from 8th (time to wiggle out of 8th place Philly  )..this creates major incentive to finish anywhere from 2nd to 5th/6th, and the bad teams still get the bonus of high picks.. it makes it a lot harder to stay at the top for a long time. |
| Date | 2009-06-24 10:14 |
| Message | the proposal of moving from 4 picks to 7 per year seems a bit drastic in my opinion. each team has between 12 and 20 assets of value. with active rosters only being 20 deep, even the worst team is only 3 years away from bulking up their asset pool with good drafting in their prospect, first rounder and midseason picks. rebuilding takes time (it took me 5 years to build). no matter how many picks we have, the teams that spend 20 hours mulling over each pick will still be better than those who try to pick existing FHL players. (couldn't resist) i spent the better part of an august camping trip one year trying to decide between Ryan Miller and Ryan Whitney. but that's just me, and i don't get out much... one thing i really like about this pool is that there is so much riding on every pick. watering down the significance of each pick is a small downside for me. have you guys seen the free agent pool? how many 4th rounders are really going to improve your team? phil's idea of stashing a player is interesting, but only becomes a dilemma when picks are just a tiny bit scarce. i like the plan of replacing the existing midseason with an end of November draft and an end of January draft, but i'm stingy and prefer to stick with a three round redraft. |
| Date | 2009-06-24 09:38 |
| Message | I thought it was the offseason. This is more reading than I did all last semester in school. |
| Date | 2009-06-24 09:25 |
| Message | My initial thoughts * I like the idea of having two mid-season drafts at the thirds rather than three at the quarters. I think we should make incremental changes and not a whole bunch as too many could make it more difficult to see what works vs what doesn't * As a rebuilding GM I am in favour of additional picks via an additional round. This will obviously decrease the rebuilding time. I have been rebuilding for over two years with at least another two on the horizon before I aim to be competing. That is just too long for a pool of this type. One additional round plus the additional mid-season round suggested above would be more than enough (again, don't want to be making too many changes at once) * I would prefer to keep the value of a prospect pick high. It adds a great dynamic to the pool and I wouldn't want to see them devalued. So the one round prospect draft should remain as is. The additional round suggested above allows for more options for activating prospects when you are rebuilding * A crazy idea to decrease the gap between first and last is to perhaps decrease the number of active players allowed to perhaps 10f, 5d, 2g (with a 24 player limit at the start of the season rather than 27). This would add more depth to league. Doing this would nullify the need for additional drafting rounds of course. Just an idea. Opposite of what The Count (Bettman) would do  |
| Date | 2009-06-24 06:51 |
| Message | After taking a few days to consider the recent proposal I have these thoughts. 1.I agree with Phil in that no matter what rule changes are made some GM's will continue to have less interest than others. Rule changes should be made for the betterment of the FHL, not with the goal of baiting certain GM's into being more active. 2.Trade activity will decline. With 7 picks at our disposal a GM can turn over over half of his roster in 2 years by simply drafting. A GM can isolate himself from the outside world, and quietly make his picks without any trade activity required to turn over his roster. If the idea is to increase interest in trade activity I think this proposal is wrong. 3. The value of risky or aging players increases. There would be ample opportunity to get rid of an older player who doesn't turn out. 4.More and more prospects would be eaten up by draft picks reducing the value of prospect picks. 5.Adjusting the timing of the midseason around the world juniors is of no value. Only 1 GM has traditionally based his selections on that tourny and a rule adjustment simply for that is not warranted. 6.If increasing the number of picks available is the consensus, then I would rather see the redraft remain at 3 rounds, and 1 pick be added sometimg during the season, possibly at the 1/3 point, with the other pick being at the 2/3 point of the season. |
| Date | 2009-06-24 04:34 |
| Message | So... in light of all that rambling... here's what I suggest looking at: Add the 3 rounds of picks. Add one round to the redraft, bringing it to 4 rounds. Add one round to the midseason draft. Add the 3/4 single round draft. Move the midseason draft earlier to the Christmas break. Two reasons for the date change: 1. A little earlier in the season should mean that point spreads will be a little closer and the value increases. 2. Having the midseason draft before the WJHC evens the playing field on drafting prospects. Now here's the biggie. Allow GM's to chose during the midseason draft whether the player drafted (if eligible) will go to their active roster OR their prospect bench. By giving the option to put the player to the Prospect bench you are substantially changing the value of the picks. The top end teams have a serious decision on how they draft, if they draft a prospect the other competing teams gain substantial ground on them. If they draft an active player the bottom teams gain substantial ground long term on them. For the bottom teams, because they have the higher picks they get the better prospects and gain ground on the top teams either way. Having a deeper prospect bench helps speed up the rebuild process. |
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