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| Date | 2008-10-27 |
| Message | Pappy, Yes, I received it, THANK YOU! And I will respond to it soon. This weekend we will actually be in Tennessee, but only for roughly 36 hours and we will be looking at houses. So, if I could have scheduled some time to sit down and have a chat with you, I think that would have been great. I look forward to meeting you one day, although I think I already have once when you were visiting Petra and Andy; I can't remember though. Again, thank you for your sweet thoughts and taking the time to write your email. I will email you soon. Gina  |
| Date | 2008-10-27 |
| Message | Gina, I sent you an e-mail. |
| Date | 2008-10-26 |
| Message | Either way is fine! Really, here, there, anywhere! And if Pappy wants to rest on the subject or his hammer on my head, that's fine too! Hope you are feeling better! |
| Date | 2008-10-26 |
| Message | Hi Gina. Yes, I will be more than happy to pass your comments on to Pappy - you are both welcome to finish your discussion here (it's not a distraction, I think there are several people that are following it with great interest) - but if you'd rather finish it via email (or not at all), that's fine too. |
| Date | 2008-10-26 |
| Message | .... I’m sure I could pull 40 doctor’s names in the respected medical community that would corroborate those facts about homosexuality and that’s just in this time era, people you can actually talk to and ask more questions if you like, NOT just accept the interpretation of what one has read in a book with no one to ask anything. With all that said, please take note and understand that I do not disrespect your religion at all. I do not have any need to prove you wrong, nor Petra or anyone else who believes the way you do. Politics are more of the same, which I guess is why both can cause heated arguments. At the same time I respectfully disagree with you on religion. Petra, I had once said that I believe in separation of Church and State. As long as one is not imposing there views upon others, I feel there is no reason for there to be a separation. Religion is part of who we are and I can't take it out of you, no more than you can put it into me. So, I regress. And now, maybe I can sleep. |
| Date | 2008-10-26 |
| Message | Not to rehash old stuff but you stated something about Pedophilia and B-e-s-t-i-a-l-i-t-y being wrong and in our culture, in our state of mind and society, it is; to me those things are. But even as short as a hundred years ago, it was common for young g-i-r-l-s to be pregnant with over 18 men’s b-a-b-i-e-s. It was common for g-i-r-ls to get married younger and it wasn’t frowned upon or called pedophilia than. Now, I guess we could argue what age is considered okay consenting, but really why? We could argue it all and I’m not agreeing with this stuff, just saying it’s our culture that tells us what is right, wrong and acceptable and then you can break it down further to family, cliques and so on. In some countries children are encouraged to use animals to m-a-s-t-u-r-b-a-t-e with and again, I can’t recall the country, but I can look it up if you want. No, I haven’t seen them do it personally in other countries, from what I read and you are deriving your knowledge from what you read. We live in Learn, that’s all we can do. We know we sunburn because others have sunburned and we assume Dr.’s who spend thousands of dollars becoming them, are credible. Does this mean that Homos-e-x-u-a-l-ity is good, bad or whatever…..really who knows? But what they do know is that there is medical evidence suggesting it is probably NOT a choice. Now, you said that 40 men corroborated your Bible over 1600 years...... |
| Date | 2008-10-26 |
| Message | I think that people who have a spiritual side entice a part of their brain that I don’t yet know exists, as I’ve never had a “calling” if you will to religion. I also think that your religion is so much a part of you, you can’t separate that and really there’s nothing wrong with that idea, so why attack it. You kept saying, prove you wrong, prove you wrong. Obviously you’ve had this argument before and the entire time I thought, WHY, you are happy where you are at in life, it makes sense to you, you aren’t hurting anyone and it doesn’t matter if you don’t believe in Science or the Big Bang Theory. Lots of people have never heard of the Big Bang Theory and even a lot of people have never heard of the Bible, they do just fine without both. |
| Date | 2008-10-26 |
| Message | I wrestled with Church off and on for most of my life, trying to figure out what I believed in. When I entered college back in 1993, I chose a psychology background and later switched to an Exercise Science major, which led me to all of my biology courses, along with Anthropology. I love learning, love it. Anthropology was my favorite subject so far. In fact, it was enlightening that I thought about switching majors for the third time. Now, with all that said, you’d think I’d be able to fire back at you the way you kept going at me. But, as I have been made and how my brain works, I’m better at recalling ideas, as oppose to “quoting” or memorizing rehearsed answers. I can tell you my idea and if you gave me some time I’d be able to tell you where I got it from, but I’m not good at recall. So, although I think you highlighted some great points for me tonight and I thank you for sharing your ideas with me, I have literally found myself to have more of an aversion now, then I did when we first started. Not because of you, but because the message that you hold onto so deeply does not strike me as valid, maybe it does for you and I think that is great. |
| Date | 2008-10-26 |
| Message | Now if you were to give me a question, topic and give me time to prepare to answer it, perhaps we can call that a debate. As then I wouldn’t feel so blindsided by a bunch of things I’ve never heard of and I can guarantee you most people haven’t. You asked me, who taught me right from wrong; initially my parents did and then I parted from their ways after many incidences that I felt were cruel. Not only to myself, but others around them. My parents were born in the 1930’s. I was adopted by them when they were in their late 30’s. They were raised in Ohio and North Carolina. Neither of them practiced any form of religion even though both sides of their family were “Christians” and one of my dad’s siblings was a pastor. My dad was the youngest of nine children and was basically raised by siblings. Neither of them had a formal education, but both claims to believe in God, though neither went to church nor taught me anything. Although I remember my childhood as wonderful, as I got older, as most children do I began to grow my own opinions, which didn’t sit well with them. My mother and I began to fight all the time and at 19 I married for the first time and was divorced by 23. |
| Date | 2008-10-26 |
| Message | Pappy, I got off the computer and sighed. My head was hurting and I truly did not feel we were debating. I felt more like I was being bombarded with an arsenal of premeditated answers to questions you are obviously very familiar with. You kept going back to the statement of saying how wrong you were; why you felt the need to mock me is unknown to me, but if it wasn’t mocking me, then what are you doing to make sure people know the truth or the lie; you contradicted yourself there. One minute you were saying that you believed this stuff and your morality was online and the next you were saying you are lying and to prove you wrong.. I can attest that just by trying to keep up with you and at times feeling like I was defending myself unarmed, turned me off even more from religion. Unarmed meaning I felt like, oh how should I put this…..like, I was being attacked on something I wasn’t familiar with. Now, I know the basics of the Bible and I know the basics of Science and to me Science seems more plausible than the Bible. Because I don’t know whatever math theories you were speaking about, I can’t comment on it and because I can’t respond intelligently to some verse you throw out from the Bible, doesn’t make me not wanting to seek the truth. It means that you have probably 20 plus years on me of living, a way different personality and a different type of education. |
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