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NameDavid Lamb
Date2008-06-27
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MessageTo Kenneth Covey:

I don't believe Jesus' name is "Christ", I was simply responding to a silly analogy with a silly analogy.

By the way, if you read Sis. Marcum's post, she would have you come over to our website to further discuss these issues. Here's our web address: godsmiraclemission.com. We have an open forum for this type of polemic discussion. I think it's a wonderful thing to table our beliefs and let the people see what's true and what isn't.

I also wanted to tell you as a preacher to a preacher: Strong's Concordance is not always right. As a matter of fact, it is basically an entrance level concordance. Try some of these Greek lexicons and word studies, (Bauer's, Thayer's, Vincent's, Liddell and Scott, Robertson's Word Pictures, etc.) they'll help you in your studies.

It's been fun debating with you. Come on over to our website so we don't offend Bro. Meyer's visitors.

We love and appreciate you Brother Meyers! Thanks for the invite! Please do so anytime!

P.S. Sorry for getting you in trouble!

Bro. Lamb


NameDavid Lamb
Date2008-06-27
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MessageSis. Marcum,
I'm not sure who you are, but I was emailed and asked to reply to Kenneth Covey by Pastor Meyers himself. You need to resolve your grievances with him. I was only doing what the pastor asked me to do.

I suppose that if you are so bold to share your feelings with the world about me as a pastor of a trinitarian pentecostal holiness church, you won't mind if I lovingly share my feelings about your post to the world too. That's fair isn't it?

I'm sorry you're so disappointed, but according to the Apostle Paul we should be set for defense of the gospel, especially when they are posting poison as deadly as this man is.

Our silence is the reason why -statistically- the vast majority of Oneness converts come out of Trinitarian churches. Public debate has always been the manner in which the church has overcome false doctrine. Here's a few Scriptures to support what I'm saying:

Php 1:17b ... I am set for the defence of the gospel.

Ac 19:8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.

Ac 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Ac 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Again, I'm sorry for your disppointment, but hundreds and thousands of people are going to read Keenth Covey's post and it needs to be exposed.


NameSis. Marcum
Date2008-06-27
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MessageBro. Meyers:
I love your site but these two preachers need to battle their differneces out on Bro. Lamb's web site not here (my opinion). Doctrines certainly are important, very important; I am dissappointed their debating on your guestbook.
smilie
Some of their quotes was not very acceptable. smilie


NameKENNETH COVEY
Date2008-06-27
MessageFRIEND YOU NEED TO GO TO A DOCTOR AND GET YOUR HEAD EXAMINED. EITHER THAT, OR YOU THINK IM STUPID!
PEOPLE READ YOUR BIBLES DONT LET MEN LIKE THIS DECIEVE YOU.IVE READ OVER 15 BIBLE TRANSLATIONS PLUS STRONGS GREEK AND EVERY ONE OF THEM TRANSLATE THE GREEK WORD ONOMA NAME. WAKE UP MAN OF GOD YOU WERE CALLED TO BEAR THE NAME AND QUIT FOOLING YOURSELF YOU DONT HAVE ONE SCRIPTURE! AND WHY IM ON IT THERE WILL NEVER BE A TRINITY. THERES ONLY ONE GOD ON THE THRONE AND HIS NAME IS JESUS. IF YOU ARE PRAYING TO THREE YOU ARE WORSHIPPING IDOLS. SOMBODY WOULD HAVE TO BE CRAZY TO BELIEVE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. EVERY SCRIPTURE ON BAPTISM IN ACTS MAKES IT CLEAR IT WAS IN THE NAME OF JESUS. BUT I DONT EVEN KNOW WHY IM WRITING TO SOMEBODY WHO ACTUALLY THOUGHT JESUS LAST NAME WAS CHRIST. LET ME ASK YOU THIS IF THERE ARE THREE GODS WHO IS THE FATHER OF JESUS? IF THEY ARE ALL COEQUAL, COETENAL, HOW COME JESUS SAID MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I? IF THERE ARE THREE GODS WHERE ARE THE OTHERS BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAID THE HEAVENS OF HEAVENS CANNOT CONTAIN HIM. WHO IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST BECAUSE BOTH JESUS AND JEHOVAH SAID THEY WERE. SHOW ME IN THE BIBLE WERE IT SAYS GOD THE SON OR GOD THE HOLYSPIRIT. AFTER YOU GET THROUGH TRYING TO EXPLAIN THESE I WILL HAVE MORE FOR YOU. GOD BLESS YOU!


NameDavid Lamb
Date2008-06-25
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MessageTo Kenneth Covey (Grand Finale):

I figured you would say something like that. You guys always bail out when you're faced with the truth. I want all of our readers to go to Acts 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, and 19:5 and tell me if any of these passages show a preacher in the water baptizing someone in a formula. Everyone of these instances show a preacher telling a person what to "DO". It has nothing to do with what the preacher is supposed to "SAY". Matthew 28:19 is Jesus telling the baptizers what to say. All the Oneness references to baptism in Jesus' name only are merely preachers telling people to be baptized in the authority and power of Jesus Christ. Colossians 3:17 takes it a little further in telling us to do all things in the power and authority of Christ! God bless all you Trinitarians! Keep the faith! And never doubt that God is triune!

I have one last verse for Kenneth Covey:

2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


NameDavid Lamb
Date2008-06-24
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MessageTo Kenneth Covey (Part 5):

Is Colossians 3:17 a formula? If not, tell our readers why. It contains the same exact wording as Acts 8:16 and 19:5, two verses you say are a baptismal formula.

Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Please, write again so we can expose all of your fallacies.

Buddy, it's a house of cards ... plain and simple!

God bless!


NameKENNETH COVEY
Date2008-06-24
MessageHOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO GIVE YOU SCRIPTURES?
ACTS 2:38, ACTS 8:16, ACTS 10:48, ACTS 19:1-5, ACTS 22. START EATING YOUR COMPUTER. I GUESS YOU KNOW MORE THAN THE GROUP OF GODLY MEN THAT TRANSLATED THE BIBLE.THE APOSTLE JOHN SAID IF YOU DONT TEACH WHAT THEY TAUGHT IN ACTS YOU ARE IN ERROR.JOHN 4:6. BY THE WAY LOOK IT UP FOR YOUR SELF STRONGS GREEK. IF YOU HAVE A HONEST HEART THIS IS ENOUGH. BY THE WAY FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD. BY FAITH I REPENTED BY FAITH I GOT BAPTIZED IN HIS NAME AND BY FAITH I RECIEVED THE GIFT OF THE HOLYGHOST. IM THROUGH. I LEAVE YOU WITH THIS. TITUS 3 :11. A MAN THAT IS AN HERETIC AFTER THE FIRST AND SECOND ADMONITION REJECT KNOWING THAT HE THAT IS SUCH IS SUBVERTED AND SINNETH BEING CONDEMNED OF HIMSELF.


NameDavid Lamb
Date2008-06-24
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MessageTo Kenneth Covey (Part 4):

The word "name" only means - authority or character! When there is any mention of baptism "in the name of Jesus", it only means - in the authority of Jesus! It has nothing to do with a "formula". Is Colossians

You said there is no salvation in the "Son"? You ought to try reading the King James Bible ... it would help you with your dilemma! Let me show you what I'm talking about:

1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in HIS SON.
12 He that hath the SON hath life; and he that hath not the SON OF GOD hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the SON OF GOD; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the SON OF GOD.

This is just one of many Scriptures exposing your hideous fallacy. The truth is: the Oneness system of Theology is nothing more than a house of cards built by the sleight of hand! One breath of sound doctrine blows it away!

You see ... the power isn't in the letters J-E-S-U-S. There are probably a hundred thousand people in Florida named "Jesus", but there's no power in their name (although its the same exact name). The power is in the person and I'm afraid the Oneness people have missed the person trying to exalt five letters.


NameDavid Lamb
Date2008-06-24
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MessageTo Kenneth Covey (Part 3):

According to the Oxford University Press Dictionary, the word “name” means - a word or words by which someone or something is known, addressed, or referred to. According to Webster’s Dictionary “name” means - a word or phrase by which a person or thing is designated. The American Heritage Dictionary defines “name” as - a word or words by which any entity is designated. Did you notice that a name can be a phrase, or even WORDS by which something is designated? There are many fathers, but only one "THE Father"! There are many sons, but only one "THE Son"! There are many spirits, but only one "THE Holy Spirit"! By every definition of the word, "Father" is a name of God the Father! "Son" is a name of God the Son! "Holy Ghost" is a name of God the Holy Ghost!

I loved it when you brought that crazy check analogy up too! I'd like to see you open up a checking account as "Kenneth Covey", but only after you tell them that you are omnipresent, omnipotent, eternal, the creator of all things, and the great God of heaven! They'd throw you out on your head! My point is, you have got to quit using earthly analogies to describe God! To call me a father is to address me by a title, but to call God the Father the "Father" is much more than a title. Ever read Isaiah 9:6? LOL!

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: ... and his name shall be called ... The everlasting Father.

I guess "Father" is a name, huh?


NameDavid Lamb
Date2008-06-24
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MessageTo Kenneth Covey (Part 2)

You want to discuss Scripture? Well ... I'd like to submit my previous challenge: I'll eat my computer if you can give me one piece of documentation (Biblical or historical) showing a preacher with someone in a body of water pronouncing your Jesus Only baptismal formula. Please, give me the Scripture!

And I loved your definition for "name". Are you trying to write your own dictionary? I guess the definition of the word "Theology" is just Theology? No, Kenneth, words mean something. You say "onoma" just means -name? I'm sure you wish that were the case - that way you could make up doctrine as you go, but I'm afraid things don't work that way. A.T Robertson (the greatest Greek scholar America has ever produced) says the word "onoma" means - authority and character. According to Thayer’s Greek Lexicon, "name" means - to bind anyone to recognize and publicly acknowledge the dignity, or authority of one, to do a thing in one's command or authority, acting on one's behalf. These are just a couple of hundreds of scholars that agree. In fact there is noone outside of the oneness movement that would try something as ridiculous as you just did. Let's look at what "name" means in English:


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