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NamePat
Date2010-07-18
MessageI work that day and cannot make it....no manpower to be able to take it off either unfortunately.
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Namedan
Date2010-07-17
MessageHNP, Sunday Sept 19th.. Day Game .. Mariners/Rangers... Derek, Tim, Rob and I are going down there... you in?? last chance.. ordering tickets asap..
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Namedan
Date2010-07-17
Messageoh my! anyone seen marmol's K's lately? nearly 2 per IP.. crazy
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NameH-Bomb
Date2010-07-15
MessageIt's an interesting idea, I mean how much do you value a guy like Strasburg or Price and his $1 dollar contract, if I'm going to trade one of those guys away and their hugely valuable 3 year contract I'm going to want a lot in return so it's going to look like a stacking trade. It's also a huge gamble cause if one of the other top teams does the same thing and I still don't win then I've just kicked myself in the junk for the next 3 years for nothing.
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Nametim
Date2010-07-15
Messageits really not that huge an impact beacuse there are only three contract spots. Really in a pool of nine owners and three keepers its still anybody's game at the beginning of the year no matter how good your contracts are.

I'm not a huge fan of giant trades in the second half to load up the top teams, but I'm up for some discussion and not dead set against it either
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Namedan
Date2010-07-15
Messagei'm FJ leary of going down that route with contracts/signables (obviously contracts would be tradeable year round as well)... if the majority want it though, i could adjust.. it is more realistic for sure... the cliff lee's of the world that go to contenders every summer...

you almost have to throw stacking trades out the window until the market figures out what long term value vs in-season value is...

the idea of the rule is to maintain a year-to-year pool, where the auction is the main event, giving anyone a chance to win each year.. we sprinkle in 3 keepers each year to have that element....

the rule restricts trading as contracts obv aren't moveable and cheap guys with upside are harder to let go.. somewhere from 10-20% of ones roster is difficult if not impossible to deal..

removing the rule, however, might not be as drastic as one might think since we ONLY have 3 spots to sign... typicallly each team comes out of the auction 1 beauty for next season, so a bottom dweller can only add so many prospects... shedding a bad prospect to a contenders bench also would create more of a level playing field for the next season...

it would be harder to win year after year without the rule, as if it's not hard enough already! so that's a good thing...

just hashing out pros and cons in my head...
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NameH-Bomb
Date2010-07-14
MessageWhat happens the first time a last place team trades away a stud to a second place team for a contract type guy. Do we call that a stacking trade or basically what the Mariners are doing? Would everyone be ok with that or not. I propose we just figure it out in the middle of the season, don't you agree Don?
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NameH-Bomb
Date2010-07-14
MessageJust out of curiousity Pat what's your logic on a 5 player mid-season cap?
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NameH-Bomb
Date2010-07-14
MessageJust out of curiousity Pat what's your logic on a 5 player mid-season cap?
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NamePat
Date2010-07-14
MessageI think that we should have a cap on the number of slim players on one team, but I am in favour of being able to trade slim picks from one team to another. Harold and Rob both have only a few slim moves left this year and for them being able to trade for one would be hugely valuable.

I am for a max of 5 mid season picks, no more than that.

I am for being able to sign guys you trade for at the end of the year.
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