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NameAndrys
Date2007-03-19
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What site-area(s) drew your interest?http://www.andrys.com/argconcs.html
MessageThanks very much, Harry, for the change. I've fixed it on the webpage.

- Andrys


NameHarry Scher
Date2007-03-18
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What site-area(s) drew your interest?Argerich concert schedule
How did you find the site?Yahoo search
City/Town if you care to say:Dallas TX
MessageI think there may be a mistake in the concert schedule site. The Avery Fisher Hall as well as the Los Angeles web sites indicate that Ms. Argerich will be playing Prokofiev Piano Concerto #3 at both places. The Schumann concerto is not listed on either program. Hope this helps.


NameRichard Peterson
Date2007-03-06
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What site-area(s) drew your interest?Music
How did you find the site?searching
City/Town if you care to say:london
MessageGreat Site!


NameAndrys
Date2007-03-04
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City/Town if you care to say:Berkeley, Calif.
MessageAlan,
Earlier today I did a user submission of an addition to the Wikipedia article for Hatto.

I saw that the Career section said
"Her performances were not received with much enthusiasm by the critics" and quoted a couple of lukewarm reviews.

Knowing there were also good reviews back then, I added the following:

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On the other hand, The Guardian reports (July 10, 2006) that the Guardian's music critic Neville Cardus wrote of her (live, 1954) Paganini Variations that they were "despatched in a seamless riot of ecstatic bravura laced with underlying deep musical feeling rarely countenanced in this work" and The Telegraph reports (July 28, 2006) that "Neville Cardus called her 'a British pianist to challenge the German supremacy in Beethoven and Brahms'; The Daily Telegraph 'the indomitable champion of Liszt.' "
===

I reported the changes I made.

I don't know if it will stay, as they can remove user submissions, but I can't see why it would be removed and are an interesting footnote.

This article that will serve as basic net reference is at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Hatto


NameAndrys
Date2007-03-04
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City/Town if you care to say:Berkeley, Calif.
MessageAlan, yes, the Bax on the 2 CD editions match her LP and it'd be nice to find others. I have quotes from Neville Cardus (d. 1975) on the page re her playing, to balance what some are saying today.

I have sympathy for Barrington-Coupe at this point, but he did bring this about himself, and for all actions there are generally consequences. That's just reality. I agree that some of it is overdone. But all the inquiries would stop quickly, from my read of reactions if he:

1. didn't insist that there was only patching done and that it was still basically JH playing
2. explained, for his wife's reputation's sake, how he managed it so that she didn't know that he was releasing many concertos in her name - there are possible explanations even I can think of but he has not been inclined to help her on this while telling the world she didn't know.
3. let people and recording labels know whose tracks he used so they can get the proper credit.
People are interested in finding and even buying recordings by many of these pia

Since court proceedings would be a lose-lose for all, those steps would be a positive way to stop the questions.
Until then people WILL ask and he will feel hounded. My brother lost his wife in much the same way and, really, one can be at such a loss at such times. But I think my brother would have just ended it with the truth of what happened and how.


NameStephen Bennett
Date2007-03-04
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What site-area(s) drew your interest?Hatto's widower
How did you find the site?times online
City/Town if you care to say:London
MessageWell, what a storm in a teacup. Everyone knows that the pop world is a construct. The Monkeys never played in public because they were fake. Elton John's first album was created virtually entirely by Paul Buckmaster. Indeed, the scottish pop singer.....who went stateside and sang for such things like James Bond films had a doc about her winning some contest and got sent to London to make an album. The agent who saw her first said she had no talent, but the A&R record lable guy said she had what it takes: 1. good looks 2. A good engineer... and as an afterthought he added "oh yes, and it might be good if she could sing." All recordings are doctored. The most famous horn soloist of the past 50 years never recorded anything straight through. He had the reputation of cutting and patching every note almost. Then again, the great Canadian pianist, did the same thing with his recordings. Pity he didn't live to see the digital age. Live music is dead folks! Face it. It's all fake these days! Musicians who are honest and true to the composer and to their craft and art are ignored, overlooked and ridiculed. That is the times we live in. Who am I to say this? Just an international soloist and musician of many years experience inside and out over 3 continents! Thing is, like the fate of planet earth, we are helpless to do anything about it. Besides, who wants to do anything about anything? Nobody with any power to do it, that's who.


NameAlan Giles
Date2007-03-04
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What site-area(s) drew your interest?Joyce Hatto
How did you find the site?Google
City/Town if you care to say:London England
MessageI can tell you that Joyce Hatto's Bax Symphonic Variations recording with Vernon handley was most certainly genuine. Two days prior to the recording in 1970 a public performance was given.

I have no connection with Ms Hatto Mr Barrington-Coupe or Concert Artist/Fidelio, but it would be nice if everyone took the generous view that the MD of BIS has taken.

I have little doubt that WB-C DID do what he did for his wife. Nobody can condone it but I am sure the true reason was that he felt his wife had been neglected - which she had been. She made a few records in the 1960s but they appeared on small labels like Saga and Fidelio and didn't get good distribution - the big boys of the British recording industry were very down on such labels.

Having lost my own wife to cancer, I can understand why WB-C might have behaved as he did to try to make her last days happy. Who is to say what any of us might do in those circumstances if we had a chance to do so?. As it is, he has lost his wife, her reputation and probably his compoany (there are other real perofrmances on that label - the Bax Symphony 4, for example, recorded in 1965 with Handley long before any other company made an LP recording of a Bax symphony.

Hasn't the hounding gone on long enough?


NameAndrys
Date2007-02-25
What site-area(s) drew your interest?http://www.andrys.com/hatto.html
City/Town if you care to say:Berkeley, California
MessageRichard, no, I haven't done that kind of checking, but I'll probably point people to your question.

My link to the rec.music.classical.recordings discussions will show a lot of interest in sorting out, somehow what is true and what isn't.

I don't think that Wigmore Hall recitals were easily come by. But ... Did you read Burnett James's account from the late 60s and early 70s? Ates Orga's article mentions his having written program notes for some of her Wigmore recitals.
Those two might be able to help you with the info sources you want.

As to gullibility, there's been no reason to even guess re what happened. At most, people wondered what could be the truth? Some did think a group of young pianists had gathered together to scam the critics. But it was pianists who were gathered without their knowledge.

Cancer can go one for 20-30 years off and on with remissions and recurrences. When in remission one can feel perfectly healthy and strong. So, that wasn't questioned.
We're still waiting for the hospital mgmt to say something. The consultant radiologist wasn't named. And one can have one type of cancer and, as a result of lowered immune system when being treated, be vulnerable to another type of cancer, most types taking a long time to develop. Years, in fact.
Medical records of that specific a nature were probably not at hand during the phone conversation. Perhaps another hospital was involved earlier.


NameRichard Whitehouse
Date2007-02-25
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What site-area(s) drew your interest?joyce hatto
How did you find the site?rmcr, google groups
City/Town if you care to say:London
MessageJoyce Hatto concert listings.

I've got completely hooked by the whole thing - thank you for your researches. It all makes very interesting reading.

Did you check copies of Musical Times going further back - 50s and 60s? I was particularly interested to find out about the four concerts where she performed the Beethoven-Liszt symphonies. It says in one of the interviews that the breakdown of the works: 1-3, 4-5, 6-8, 9, that it was 'later in the decade' (50s I assume), and that it was publicized by the London Liszt Society - although presumably actually put on by her husband. Even in the 50s, you'd have thought that something like that would attract some attention.

What seems to emerge is a kind of 'vanity publishing' apsect to the whole career. It was certainly possible for almost anyone to hire one of the South Bank Hall. Was the same true of the Wigmore?

Where would one find out programmes of music clubs, I wonder? Do the PRS have an archive?

Incidentally, what is completley surprising is how gullible everyone seems to have been. Maybe in this freelance world that we now live in no-one has the time or the staff to delve into the background. I guess that all confidence tricks are always based on something being plausible enough.

What i'm now really curious enough is the health gap. She seems to have been diagnosed with cancer in 1970 but according to Jessica Duchen she was only a patient at Addenbrokes for 14 years. There's a 22 year discrepancy...


NameAndrys
Date2007-02-23
What site-area(s) drew your interest?re http://www.andrys.com/hatto.html
City/Town if you care to say:Berkeley, California
MessageJonathan, thanks very much for bringing that to my attention. Not really a tiny point.

I think that given the "best" scenario turns out to be true, JH could have written those notes under her name, intending them to accompany her own playing (not realizing her studio efforts were not up to par and her husband was releasing other tracks).

But, as I've said, it is a stretch. You may not have seen Jeremy Nichols' account of his in-person interview with JH last year. He writes it as a comment to Christopher Howell's detailed musings.

Thanks for the heads-up on Jessica's coming article. We're hoping she finally got through to hospital mgmt itself!


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